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'I'VE GOT TO GO TO UKRAINE,' Connecting 'India to England,' and the Gutenberg Printing Press: Watch Biden's Meandering MSNBC Exit Interview

'I mean, it sounds stupid,' Biden told MSNBC's Lawrence O'Donnell

January 17, 2025

A tired-sounding President Joe Biden on Thursday gave his final TV interview in office, during which he deeply intoned "I'VE GOT TO GO TO UKRAINE," mused on the 1440 Gutenberg printing press, appeared to claim that he and Barack Obama grew up together, and said "um" a lot.

Biden said during the hour-long interview with MSNBC's Lawrence O'Donnell that he had made great progress in foreign policy, pointing to his work on "the how to connect everything from, from, uh, India to England."

"I mean, for example, if Gutenberg didn't invent the printing press, how that would Europe have ever gotten united in any way, to understand what each country was thinking," Biden said. "I mean, it sounds stupid, but it really matters."

At one point, the president bizarrely told O'Donnell that "you've heard Barack get mad at me when I was a kid all the time." Biden is almost 20 years older than Obama.

He also attempted to explain his policy on the Russia-Ukraine war by saying, "I didn't think it was I'VE GOT TO GO TO UKRAINE," in a deep, robotic voice.

"It's a little bit like, you may remember, uh, um, I, uh, I found myself, uh, with, uh," Biden said. "And, uh, and I was raised in the circumstance where, uh, like I always used to talk about how."